Dirt Trail “Camargue” Bike

September 8, 2013 – Next Winter’s Project Bike

Velo Orange is working on a new bike design that should be a big hit. Their “Camargue” frame is a traditional steel touring frame modified to accept up to 2.3 x 29 inch tires on 700c wheels. It is exactly what I’ve been looking for to pedal the long unpaved rail trails in New Hampshire, Maine, and along the Erie Canal in upstate New York.Carmague Profile shot (1)The pea green paint is pretty bland, and their orange sample is worse. Here’s hoping they get bold with something in an elegant steel blue or deep carmine. The green might not be as insipid if outfitted entirely with black components. I’ll be first in line for a 62cm frame, in any color.

Chris K's CamargueUnlike most newer frames, this one has horizontal rear drop-outs, so it can take an internally geared hub without a tensioner.

Chris Kulczycki, the boss at VO, built his personal bike with an Alfine 8-speed hub. I hope my suggestion led him to try it.

June BugI was planning to sell my Soma June Bug bar, but will keep it now to use on this bike. I also have another Wippermann Connex chain and a new Race Face Evolve crankset on hand. I’ll use the new VO Zeste cantilever brakes that I bought for my Cross-check on this bike.

Surly RackI’ll build new wheels, using VO’s promised wide 700c rims, their front hub, and an Alfine 8-speed rear hub with a Jtec bar end shifter.

My Surly is loaded with VO components, so I guess it would be okay to put a Surly Nice rear rack on this VO frame.

Planet Bike Cascadia 29 fenders will keep the frame from getting blasted with grit. I’ll swap the heavy-duty bottle cages off my Surly.

Since this bike will be used almost exclusively off-pavement, I will gear it lower than my Surly. The Race Face crankset has a 32-tooth chainwheel which, with a 20-tooth cog on the Alfine hub, will provide a gear range of 25 to 75 inches. I rarely use a higher gear even on pavement.

The frames and wheel rims are promised for mid-winter delivery, along with black headsets and other parts, so this looks like next year’s project.

October 7, 2013 – Gathering Parts

This morning I scored a nearly new black Surly Nice rear rack on eBay for about 2/3 of the list price. And last week I found a black Soma seat post. Yesterday I swapped saddles on my Surly, so have a nice 175mm gel saddle for the future Camargue. By the time the frame arrives, I expect to have all the components on hand to build the bike I want.

LD839Jtek bar end shifters are temporarily out of stock everywhere, but Ryan Guthrie of Jtek says he should have more available by the end of this month.

I also picked up guidebooks to the Erie Canal trail and the other upstate New York canal paths. I’m thinking the best way to go, though, will be a van supported tour with other old timers led by Senior Cycling, Inc. (http://www.seniorcycling.com/tours/#176). Much depends on when the new frame is available.

January 10, 2014 – Still Waiting

I’m still waiting for the Jtek shifter, and VO now says the Camargue frames will not be ready until Spring, so I guess this won’t be a winter project after all. If VO’s new rims arrive sooner, I will at least build up wheels. In the meantime, I’ve decided not to do the senior tour of the Erie Canal this year, but will continue riding rail trails closer to home.

May 21, 2014 – Changed My Mind

Back in March I wrote that I was selling my house and downsizing my life, and therefore would be cancelling this bike project. Well, I sold the house but have not found a new place yet, so am staying with a daughter in the Boston area.

From her condo overlooking the Mystic River, I can bike about 25 miles on paths and trails without having to pedal on any roads other than crossings. Much of that trail network is unpaved, though, and would be perfect for a bike like the Camargue.

Fortunately, I didn’t sell any of the components I had collected for the new bike. Most of my belongings are stored in a mover’s warehouse, but I kept my bike tools and parts out – including my wheel building jig. I picked up a new 36-hole Alfine 8-speed hub on eBay a day before I moved, so I’ll be ready to build the wheels as soon as the rims arrive.

June 13, 2014 – The Rims Are In

VO announced the arrival of their new 28mm Escapade rims today, so I immediately ordered a pair, along with another of their wonderfully smooth low-flange front hubs. This hub is only available with 32 hole drilling, but the rims are available with either 32 or 36. I will use 32 on front and 36 in the rear, the same as on my Surly. Now I just need to find my stash of spokes in the self-storage unit.

June 22, 2014 – Building Wheels

velo_orange_low_flange_frontThe new rims and hub arrived this week, I found the stored spokes, and ordered more for the rear wheel, so will get started building wheels.

Velo Orange is a real class act. Their hubs are polished like jewels, and come packed in velvet ditty bags.

July 1, 2014 – The Frames Are In

VO now has the Camargue frames in stock ready for shipping. I’ll be ordering a 62-cm tomorrow, with headset installed and a set of their big Sabot platform pedals.

July 13, 2014 – A Pile of Parts

A big box of components arrived Friday from Universal Cycles. Tires, tubes, spokes, brake cable hanger, bar tape, and wide plastic fenders. VO sells beautiful metal fenders – I have a set on my Surly. They are strong and long-lasting. They also rattle, dent, and reflect sun in my eyes.

Cascadia FendersSo for the Camargue I bought a set of 65mm wide Cascadia MTB fenders. They are made of strong flexible black plastic that doesn’t dent or reflect light. The Cascadia fenders also have breakaway struts that give way if debris gets caught between the fender and front wheel, so the rider doesn’t get thrown.

The new frame should arrive soon. I asked VO to delay shipping, as I was out of town most of last week and will be for the next few days. The whole build may be delayed too. I am in the process of buying a condo, and just started a new project for the Virgin Islands Port Authority, so am pretty busy for an old retired guy.

July 17, 2014 – The Horse is Here!

The Camargue frame arrived today and it is stunning. Nicely designed and beautifully finished. I may even learn to like the sappy green color. Maybe after it gets beat up a bit I’ll do a camo job on it.

Camargue Frame

Unfortunately, some key components – crankset, brakes, handlebars, and stem – are in a storage locker 60 miles away. I’ll bring them back next week and ask a local shop to install the crankset. In the meantime, I’ll get cracking on the wheels.

The steerer tube looks too long, but it’s only an inch longer than the tube on my Surly, and that’s a good thing. I won’t cut it until I’ve ridden this bike for a while, even if it means stacking spacers above the stem.

July 19, 2014 – Back to Building Wheels

After dinner tonight I sat down and laced the front wheel together. I started to build this wheel last month, but found the 303mm spokes that I had used on my other bikes were too long. It seems the VO Escapade rims are quite a bit deeper than the Sun rims.

If you are planning to build a wheel using the VO low-flange front hub and 32-hole Escapade rim, with a traditional cross-three pattern, the correct spoke length is 296mm.

Tomorrow I’ll dig out my trusty old truing stand and finish this wheel. I’ll hold off on the rear wheel until after I have a shop install the crank set, so I can mount the hub in frame for the tech to get the chain alignment.

August 1, 2014 – Impatiently Waiting

My Camargue frame is in the bike shop for installation of the Raceface crankset, since I don’t have the tools or experience to install that type of bottom bracket. Because it is midsummer, the shop is running a week behind. They have promised it by the 6th.

And I cannot find my wheel truing stand anywhere. I’m certain I had it with me when I moved to my temporary home between homes, but it’s not here or in either of my self-storage areas. It will surely appear as soon as I buy a new one.

Still hoping to get this bike out on the trail before summer is over.

August 6, 2014 – Some Assembly Required

Bike Parts

When I was a kid, my favorite toy was my Erector set. I still like bolting stuff together (and still have the Erector set). Waiting now for the wheel truing stand and starnut tool, along with some bits and pieces, to arrive from Universal Cycles. Looks like a fun weekend project ahead.

JHA Cycles installed the crankset, but got the chainline about 7mm off. Reversing the hub sprocket picked up about 2/3 of that; someday I’ll switch the spacers on the bottom bracket to correct the other couple of millimeters.

Today I spent about an hour trying to get the snap ring back on the hub after reversing the sprocket, then realized I need to remove the sprocket to lace the wheel together.

August 9, 2014 – Learning to Like the Color

I’m beginning to like the color of this frame, despite my earlier protestations. It’s not olive or pea green as it appears in some of the photos, but a soft warm moss green. I expected the color would work well with black components, but have been surprised at just how good the combination is.

August 15, 2014 – A Big Glitch

ForkWhen I mounted the front wheel in the fork this afternoon, I was dismayed to find the distance between the rim and the brake boss was 1/4″ more on one side than the other.

I reversed the wheel and the gap remained on the same side, so I knew the wheel was not the problem.

Although the dropout spacing is correct, it’s evident that the fork blades are attached to the crown at different angles. VO has promised to ship out a replacement Monday morning.

August 17, 2014 – A New Bag

VO Handlebar BagThe Camargue frame is designed for front-loaded bags. In the 1970’s I had a French TA handlebar bag, but have since been using rear rack bags.

VO now offers a bag similar to the TA, but bigger, more rugged, and beautifully sewn in the U.S. I justified the $200 price tag because I sold my TA bag on eBay for $229.

Large handlebar bags like this one need support. I don’t want to use a full front rack that bolts to the dropouts because it would stiffen a part of the fork that absorbs road shock. And a mini rack that bolts to the brake bosses won’t fit the Camargue because of the extra tire clearance.

Nitto RackMy solution is to use a Nitto M18 stainless steel rack, which normally attaches to the fork with P-clamps. Unfortunately, the Nitto rack is not available in black, but it will be largely hidden under the bag.

Salsa StrutsInstead of the P-clamps, I’m using Salsa rack struts that will bolt to the mid-fork bosses. The Salsa struts bolt directly to the Nitto rack with Salsa clamps. I’ll trim them to size after mounting the rack on the fork.

Bag BottomThe Nitto rack is the same length as the depth of the VO bag, and fits the reinforcing webbing. A black Velcro strap keeps the bag from bouncing or shifting from side to side.

The VO bag comes with a plastic stiffener that must be inserted between the inner and outer canvas panels. At first this seemed like an impossible task, but I finally managed to do it.

The trick is to press it in on one side until it bumps against the corner. Then reach in on the outside of the stiffener and ease it around the bend. Then keep pressing until it hits the other bend.

At this point, reach into the other side pocket and pull the stiffener around the second bend. Then push and pull it until it is in place. Finally, tuck the ends into the folded over inner canvas panels.

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August 19, 2014 – Taking Shape

Camargue Partial

The Camargue is beginning to look like a real bike. The replacement fork, along with a black stem and spacers, were all shipped out yesterday.

2 Responses to “Dirt Trail “Camargue” Bike”

  1. Anthony Says:

    Any update? I’m considering one, and I would love to see the final product!

  2. twofootartist Says:

    Currently on hold. I just bought a condo that has had nothing done to it since it was built 20 years ago, so am painting, renovating, and moving all at once.

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